Twitter #OpblijvenvoorKees Action
Because the debate takes so long, speaks SGP leader Kees van der Staaij late at night. SGP his colleague Elbert Dijkgraaf on Twitter to stay up reports that the contribution of Kees indeed worth and use the hashtag #opblijvenvoorkees:
uncomplimentary mood Wilders short term
PVV leader Wilders surprised by starting with praise in the direction of the Cabinet. He wants to “give a sincere compliment to the government” for the way Prime Minister Rutte and several ministers have dealt with the disaster around flight MH17. “That was also immediately compliments department,” said Wilders, who with fierce criticism comes directly to the government’s plans in the Budget. “Everyone, really everyone is fucked”, said the PVV leader.
Debate continues input Wilders
The debate may be resumed at the input of PVV leader Wilders at any time. The APB is an annual debate that gets a lot of media attention, so Wilders will doubtless come again with a beautiful stunt like the kopvoddentaks (2009) or the corporate Poodle (2011). This morning he pulled all the way attention with its roll call vote on the removal of the Koran from the Lower House. Chances are he reiterates the link with its most prominent item in his contribution: Islamization. That trump card he seemed a little to be lost and the story about Europe and Brussels did not work out well for him, but with the recent developments, he may have a chance to look clean in the center of attention come again. His bill for the preservation of Zwarte Piet probably comes along.
The problem with Wilders is that he can score with attention and good polls, admittedly, but far outside the political middle is that there probably will remember.
Debate adjourned until 21:00
The meeting suspended until 21:00 so that everyone can eat what.
Samsom yet no Bolkestein, but it’s a start
What fell on the contribution of Samson, who has just finished? Political editor Tom-Jan Meeus:
“For the first time in this coalition Samsom sets openly demands on Rutte: dissociation behavior on Islam Wilders and – most importantly – more Government efforts to create extra work. The latter objection was already promised last year and stays behind. “This bothers my group,” said Samsom. He is still far below Bolkestein Purple I – but it’s a start “
SP leader Emile Roemer (left) and Labour leader Diederik Samsom during the Budget Debate. ANP Photo / Martijn Beekman
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Los message Samsoms call
We made a news release about the most remarkable of Samsoms argument: he calls Rutte proposition to compete against both radical Muslims and the sound of Wilders.
Consultations between the benches
Discussion between CDA leader Sybrand Buma (left) and VVD leader Halbe Zijlstra during the Budget Debate. ANP Photo / Martijn Beekman
Samson: jobs plan is too slow and too cumbersome
When it comes to creating jobs, the government has disappointed, says Samson
(Tweets Thijs Niemantsverdriet. and Tom-Jan Meeus, political editors of NRC .)
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Photo: Samsom towards Wilders
Soon after Samson began his speech, Wilders stood at the microphone was about Samsoms amazement that. a boy in an orange shirt with a pro-IS-rally was “That’s because you have come so subsidized them Mr. Samsom.”
Labour leader Diederik Samsom and PVV leader Geert Wilders during the Budget Debate. ANP Photo / Martijn Beekman
Samsom: Rutte, take away Wilders
Samson calls his coalition partner Rutte to feel less restraint in the integration debate and clearly speak against both the PVV and radical Muslims.
“We know the Prime Minister as someone who sometimes wants to retrieve the shoulders do not react red meat under the motto on each piece. My call would be to him: let the restraint sail “
Rutte, according to the Labor Party to take a stand” against the hate-mongers in the pro-IS demonstration, but also against hate preachers in politics. ” .
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How is the boy doing? ‘
Samson begins with a story about an IS-protest in the Netherlands where he saw a boy with an orange shirt. How did he get there? What can we do?
He is there because the Labour Party has brought him here says Wilders in the roving microphone and his family also gets the PVV’er -.. again -. assertion that three-quarters of Muslims support jihad
Samsom research shows that Wilders used as a source, having read and says that “it is not about Isis” was, but “the struggle against Assad.” “That study is from 2013, before the rise of Isis.”
The study in right here.
Debate on budget against CDA
D66 leader Alexander Pechtold (left) in discussion with CDA leader Sybrand Buma against the budget of the CDA. ANP Photo / Bart Size
‘Buma had trouble defending against budget
This was a recognizable CDA story, says political editor Tom-Jan Meeus:
“But he had trouble with the defense of his budget – which in any event illustrates how narrow the margins are noteworthy: the criticism of Pechtold at Buma, whom the CDA later in this APB faster tax reform hopes to force illustration that Dutch politics forever.. turns into an opportunity friendship. “
Buma is ready; Samsom up next
That was Buma. Samsom (PvdA), after a short suspension to fix a broken microphone on the turn and 40 minutes of talk time. Excluding the interruptions, of course.
He will probably point to what has been already achieved by this government, but also (inspired by Piketty, which states that the power disparity in the West, the next time will increase significantly) say he heavier wealthy people would catch on. Put that in front of the story Zijlstra (“I think you should not entrust our savings extra,” he said earlier today) and you will immediately see why VVD and PvdA this summer have not come out.
Buma is trying to bring
Sybrand Buma:
“I’ll go further and then … turn … I … this … on … (saves paper to count.) I turn about and I hear the Prime Minister ‘beautiful’ say. “
Did it ever been so long?
For more than thirty years at the Binnenhof (according to his twitterbio) but SGP spokesperson Menno de Bruyne does not remember that it took so long before.
are now at the third speaker of the day, and we this morning at 10:30.
CDA presents plan for ‘social flat tax’
against budget for the CDA, on a single A4 distributed in parliament, the party advocates a “social flat tax” of 36 25 percent (and 39 percent for higher incomes). According Buma which leads to more jobs. He said that the budget of the government’s “utterly fails: when it comes to economic growth and job creation
The document that the MPs now have in hands, is also put online and can be found here..
The letter about the new tax that Financial Secretary Eric Wiebe (VVD) yesterday sent to the Chamber, according to Buma consisted of “27 edges indecision.”
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Buma plays ‘hard to get’ with CDA Story
Interestingly currently the chemistry between Buma (CDA, still speaking), Pechtold (D66) and Zijlstra (VVD), says political editor René Moerland.
” As is often suggested that the VVD would govern with CDA and PvdA with D66 then, as now. easier next cabinet In almost all possible coalitions following is mentioned. CDA Pechtold and Zijlstra therefore seem to take for example that of Roemer’s proposals. CDA seriously today But Buma does not give up without a fight and will continue to be hard pressed to the CDA story. He plays short, hard to get . “
Buma word
CDA leader Sybrand Buma during the Budget Debate. ANP Photo / Bart Size
Cabinet does not go beyond philosophizing ‘
This is what we expected from Buma: an argument that VVD and PvdA for the next two years, no more have then are “dreaming, thinking and philosophizing.” on the schedule He criticizes hence the lack of a concrete plan for reform of the tax system.
The roving microphone he gets wind of Zijlstra (VVD), which says that a revision is simply not possible in a few months and that he Buma now indeed expecting a concrete proposal.
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Buma wants a new nuclear power plant
Buma argues for a new nuclear power plant in the Netherlands to be energy from Russia, a country that “is not our partner, but our opponent” is less dependent . Among others Thieme Pechtold and he gets the blame bad about having thought, because he can not tell where the center should be, how he got the uranium and what should be done. The nuclear waste
glorify violence should be criminalized, you CDA
Buma wants glorifying terrorist violence – and more specifically the wearing of IS-flags – is criminalized. “Glorification of violence is the first step on the stairway to violence.”
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Buma (CDA) has started his 30-minute speech. He expresses his appreciation for what the government did in the aftermath of the disaster flight MH17.
foreignVan Vliet waives talk
There was some confusion about the contribution of Van Vliet, that a group of one since he stepped in March, the PVV. Was for him – at the very end – 5 minutes of talk devoted but this morning he was not on the list.
Van Vliet saw from his speaking time due to illness, he. Twitters He is present in the Chamber.
Debate adjourned until 15:30
The debate is finally suspended for the lunch break, which lasts until 15:30. Then CDA leader Buma speaking. Read what has hitherto stood in the debate in our news.
Zijlstra: Story recognizable, not groundbreaking
After the end of his first term will Zijlstra still many questions about the fact that many older people have to give up next year’s spending power. Also, he parried quite easily. Our political editor Tom-Jan Meeus summarizes the occurrence of Zijlstra as follows:
“A remarkable emotional start over MH17 and generally contribute with many personal tinged stories. He had a thankless role as leader of the largest government party, he never has plenty of room for a new sound Zijlstra made excuses for cuts in defense agreement with the VVD since 1990 VVD remains at the higher tax on capital (making a. tax reform with PvdA difficult) Zijlstra held a liberal story.. recognizable, but not groundbreaking “
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Tactics to keep
That the debate so far so long, may be intentional? suspects our political editor Thijs Niemantsverdriet:
‘Zijlstra a moment in trouble
The term Zijlstra there – if it is good – almost. The VVD party leader was “never in trouble,” analyzes our political editor Thijs Niemantsverdriet:
“He had potentially the most difficult task of the day as chairman of the largest coalition party. But he was strong, stable and ran into trouble., he showed himself especially the pragmatic liberal. Wilders did not bring him. aback An interruption Pechtold on the reform of the tax system, he parried with ease. And he gave Bontes (ex PVV’er) a hefty slap in debatje about MH17: the original is always better than a copy “
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It is waiting for the lunch
The debate It’s been a lot longer than was previously thought. The claimed talk time and duration of the debate in practice vary considerably, observes reporter Jorn Jonker The Telegraph :
The MPs and ministers – and even some journalists by the way – have not had lunch yet, finds Volkskrant journalist Jan Hoedeman worried:
NRC Handelsblad: eleven pages politics
NRC Handelsblad this afternoon eleven pages about the budget that the government presented yesterday and today is central to the Budget Debate. Read the pieces already in our digital edition.
Welles-no on A & amp; B-jobs
Zijlstra and Green leader Van Ojik bickering for a few minutes about jobs: who is important in creating jobs, the market or the government? According to Van Ojik place the VVD jobs that entrepreneurs create unjustified top government jobs such as a teacher or nurse. VVD there would be A and B jobs exist. Not at all, says Zijlstra, we find entrepreneurs and teachers equally important. The VVD party leader does add that it is the market for economic growth creates (and not the government).
The cake should be bigger, you Zijlstra. “A Cabinet of cake bakers so,” jokes Pechtold (D66).
Growth AgendaZijlstra: broad support needed for new tax
Zijlstra just received criticism from CDA leader Buma the lack of decisiveness in the government when it comes the promised review of the tax system . The current system dates from 2001 and has since been supplemented with so many rules, exceptions and exemptions that a major cleaning is needed. It must be efficient, you everyone. But how? There are VVD and PvdA not reached an agreement this summer, so now there is only a rough sketch of what the new system might be. Many opposition parties find it insufficient.
But just Zijlstra pointed out the importance of broad support for a new system and is confident that the government come. Valid proposals next year He also pointed out that the coalition still has to find money for the revision:
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Highlights: Pechtold the roving microphone
Photo ANP / Bart Size
ANP Photo / Bart Size
Zijlstra: invest next year in defense
Zijlstra (VVD) recognized net to a question by CDA leader Buma that in recent years much has been cut back on defense. He promised to Buma that the VVD will call for more money to defense from foreign threats.
foreignWhat’s wrong with Wilders’ claim
?” Three quarters of the Muslims think Syriëgangers heroes, “said Wilders just (just as yesterday, in his response to the Speech from the Throne). He thus refers to a survey of Dutch Muslims from May 2013, conducted by Motivaction, commissioned by the television Always What . Central to the study of people who went to Syria to “join the fight against the regime of President Assad.” Were Wilders seems Syriëgangers equate to jihadists, but that is emphatically not what the research suggests. From the report:
“An important caveat that it should be positioned so that they do not find a majority in the fighting in Syria is part of the Islamic jihad. Apparently they see it more as a fight for justice. “
Classical Islam debatje between Zijlstra and Wilders
A confrontation between Zijlstra and Wilders just about Islam. The PVV leader Zijlstra asked whether he believes that Islamic culture is part of the Netherlands. This launched a discussion in the following sentence is to summarize: Wilders thinks that the VVD doing too little against the threat of Islam would be going out for the Netherlands, while Zijlstra says that Wilders skims all Muslims with the same brush. We’ve all heard this.
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