LIVE: Greek referendum ‘no’ camp on light profit in exit polls – nrc.nl
Greeks vote today ‘no’ or ‘yes’ – in that order are the options on the ballot – a referendum is crucial to the future of Greece in the euro zone and the European Union . If a majority of Greeks today say no, “then there is no basis for a new program, but it is questionable whether there is a basis for Greece in the eurozone,” warned Eurogroup chairman Jeroen Dijsselbloem Thursday. He is anything but the only EU boss that thinks so. If the yes camp wins today, it probably means that there must be new elections. Monday said Tsipras that his government will resign if a majority of Greeks want to stay in the eurozone.
Updates by Sjoerd Klumpenaar
Exit Polls show very slight edge for “no” -kamp see
The first exit polls show it in all directions can today. According to an exit poll of Greek newspaper Proto Tema, the ‘no’ camp a statistical advantage.
Another exit poll, conducted by Metron Analysis shows the same picture, a very small lead for the ‘no’ camp .
According to the exit poll of the Greek Mega TV puts the ‘no’ camp at 51.5 percent, slightly ahead of the ‘yes’ camp.
Ballot boxes Greece closed: counting starts
The polling in Greece are just closed. The counting of votes will begin. A final outcome could still be some time before; The Greeks seem divided down to the bone. The first official results are expected about an hour.
Exit Poll: 51 to 53 percent voted “no”
According to an unpublished exit poll by the British newspaper Financial Times realized, would be between 51 and 53 percent of voters today “no” vote. There can be five minutes to vote.
Another half hour to vote
In less than half an hour close to the Greek polls. The rise of more than 40 per cent is sufficient to declare the referendum valid. The first results are expected around 21:00.
Dijsselbloem writes hard words PvdA -members
In a letter to Labour Party members, Finance Minister Jeroen Dijsselbloem (PvdA) is expressed in harsh terms about the Greek situation. According Dijsselbloem Greece has never met the conditions for joining the euro.
“In the end, Greece has only spent a year under the deficit limit of 3%! precisely in the year of joining the euro. In retrospect, we know that the statistics were totally unreliable. “
Read the letter below
Letter Jeroen Dijsselbloem
Updates by Laura Klompenhouwer
The Revolver
Analysts at Royal Bank of Scotland in a study called “The Revolver” include, among other scenarios that are possible after the referendum. Very handy: they put the scenarios in a clear overview
Read the whole document.
Readings #Greferendum
Why Greece’s such economic “basket case” they asked in May already off at Politico.eu. They compiled a list of leaders and groups that “Greece have destroyed.” Some of the ‘dirty dozen’: Greek oligarchs, Winston Churchill and the Troika. Read the entire piece here
Greek vs. Big depression
They may not be comparable, but someone did. Who the Greek gross domestic product (GDP) since the Greek Depression compares with GDP in the US during the Great Depression, startled a little. US GDP was rising again after 4.5 years of crisis, and continued to rise over the years afterward. In Greece it is hard to see recovery after more than six years. Last year, the weather seemed to go better with GDP.
No predictions
It is often the outcome of referenda and elections wild speculation. Media write about the most probable scenarios and their consequences. But the outcome of the plebiscite today is so uncertain that even Greek media do not dare to make predictions.
Try to stay calm
Our correspondent Marloes de Koning spoke today among others churchgoers, terrace visitors and Greek nationalists.
– Anastasios Papadopoulos (44) is an economist and works at an insurance company. He will not say what he agrees, because that’s private. He stands with two of his children and a friend this morning outside the church in Agia Paraskevi. Today pint all his payments. Petrol stations which do not accept debit or credit card, he drives past. In the supermarket is not a problem, he says. He tries to remain calm under all the stories about bank accounts that would be skimmed off the last measure before the banks falling over. If that happens, he and his wife lost their savings. It would be deeply unfair, he says calmly. “Then you punish so the people who have been removed from their money.” The important thing is what he is concerned that the fighting between Greeks did not get out of hand and the population is divided into two camps. ,, Therefore we have but not too much on discussing Everyone agrees what he thinks he should vote. “. – Within the priest also warns against the division ,, Whenever we lost we were divided as a nation.”. The church is laying in the hallway allow full, but according to Papadopoulos still a lot less crowded than on other Sundays. Possibly many people from the city to vote in their hometowns. At the end of the service the priest gives a veiled voting. ,, The word communism makes people from the former Eastern bloc, Bulgarians and Romanians, ill. And now we try again to bring communism in Greece, “he says. ,, No one will take pity on us if we do that.” Both the Archbishop of Athens and the archbishop of Thessaloniki earlier this week called for a ‘Yes’ vote. The Orthodox Church in Greece is very influential. Tsipras is not married and want a stricter separation of church and state in Greece -. Aliki Stergiopoulou (61) is near the church on a terrace, with her family and friends. They drink coffee and eat a sandwich. ,, Our faith makes for continuity, “she says. ,, Life does not stop here. “They vote ‘no’. ,, There is no solidarity, no prospect of peace in Europe. Greece has taught world civilization. We have not asked for euros. Just imagine, that Greece had done. Then we would be now very rich. That money we would give it away to those who need it. Not as a loan but as a gift. I say no because I want European leaders understand that.
Concerns about banks
worries about Greek banks continue to exist. A journalist from Sky News writes that the notes of € 20 low. The Greek council for financial stability, which also Minister of Finance Varoufakis part, come together tonight, writes BBC journalist Robert Peston. Tomorrow the European Central Bank with a difficult choice: the emergency aid in the form of Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA) to maintain the current level of 89 billion euros (as happened last Monday, which had the effect of capital controls) or decrease. Increase could, in theory, too, but it seems in the case of a Greek “no” unlikely.
Monty Python
The Germans (who played a key role in the negotiations on a new aid package) against the Greeks, which we have seen before. Some journalists did the fundamental difference in the way of thinking of the game of football between German and Greek philosophers in Monty Python:
French position
The French ambassador to the United States makes it clear French position. Whatever happens, Greece must stay in the European Union.
Legally
The referendum is valid; the lower limit of 40 percent of electors who vote is taken.
Merkel had strongly criticized Tsipras’
A disappointed Merkel was last week reportedly told party CDU that the policy of the Greek Prime Minister Tsipras was “harsh and ideological” and that his country visibly against sends on the wall. ” That German writes Der Spiegel .
Merkel would have said she was astonished at the launch of the referendum and that Tsipras’ roulette “played by his country.
Letter EU figures, excluding the NRC
“The Greek crisis is a European crisis, not just a national issue. It is a European problem and it will remain a European problem, “write Jacques Delors, Pascal Lamy and Antonio Vitorino in an open letter that the first Dutch newspaper NRC may publish.
“The EU must use all available means to give the Greek economy a boost.”
Read more here
Back to where it all began
Photographer Cathal McNaughton took pictures of Meyisti, on the island of Kastellorizo. It was at this easternmost island that former Prime Minister Giorgos Papandreou in 2010, announced that Greece had to use emergency assistance. It was the beginning of a series of support packages and the creditors, IMF, ECB and European Commission demanded reforms and cuts McNaughton made the following series of photos:.
The Greek flag painted on rocks near the village Meyisti. Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
The zondagochtendmis. Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
The end of the zondagochtendmis. Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
A soldier gets ready to cast his vote. Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
Import. Photo Reuters / Cathal McNaughton
rise 35 percent
With four hours to go until polling stations close, are to vote on many of the ten million Greeks. The turnout is around 35 percent, reported television station Mega TV Private according to Associated Press. In Athens there are queues at polling stations. The turnout must exceed the 40 percent to be valid. A high rise should be no problem voting is compulsory, even though the law provides that non maintained
“Angry, tired and scared” …
… that defines New York Times Voters in Greece. The population is bombarded with advertisements that evoke Be it ‘oxi’ (no) or “nai” (yes) vote. But many Greeks admit that matter where they should vote is too complex about. They have to disagree / no ‘or’ yes / agree “say on a proposal by creditors no longer on the table. A proposal that pages long, but has been reduced to the following few lines:
“The Greeks are hereby requested to decide whether to accept a draft agreement, which was submitted by the European Commission, European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund, at the meeting of the Eurogroup on 25 June, which consists of two documents.
The first document is called “Reforms for the completion of the current program and then ‘and the second document called “Preliminary analysis of debt sustainability
The citizens who reject the proposal of the institutions, voting” disagree / NO’ Citizens who accept proposal, votes’ agreement / YES “
Voters on the word
Correspondent Marloes de Koning spoke today with a woman who has no money to go vote. The 78-year-old Dimitra may vote, but sees the gloomy
-. Vicky Georgiou (29) is waiting with her daughter Irini 1 year and her husband until the end of the church service. They did not vote because they do not have time and money to go for it at their home village, which is 300 kilometers away. But they would be ‘no’ vote, she says. ,, Maybe we have five years to a shortage of everything, but then we would develop again “ -. Dimitra will not give names. She has included enough money to have no problems now, but she is saddened. “How did it come to this? What has become of us?”
Yes, No, what does it
Correspondent Marloes de Koning spoke with Polychronis Yiannopoulos (38) He listens to the advice of singer and radio maker Tzimis Panousis:.
“The outcome of this contest is pre-arranged, and (loss), but we will at least score once.”
She writes:
It is therefore no vote, he said outside the church on the main square of Agia Paraskevi, a district of Athens. Yiannopoulos is a doctor and he is angry. The Germans all economic have power, but no compassion. On the whole situation. I know that ‘no’ us work even further into trouble, but I prefer to say ‘no’. “If you say ‘yes’ then you say ‘yes’ to the former political class in Greece.” So much reasoning people. They want to get rid of politicians such as former Prime Minister Samaras. That plays by them in cahoots with corrupt businessmen and the European establishment. If they really want to make a clean sweep in Greece then Tsipras youngster needs a boost.
Yiannopoulos is tired of the whole situation. Yeah, no, what the hell. “I hope any longer. I’m voting ‘no’, but I do not care. “
In Focus
Minister of Finance Varoufakis (no camp) has just voted. Tsipras (also the no-camp) and former Prime Minister Samaras preceded him. (Click on the picture to see it large and clicking at all the photos in this live blog)
Varoufakis arrives with his father Giorgos at the polling station in Athens. Photo AFP / Aris Messinis
Varoufakis poses with his ballot … Photo AFP / Aris Messinis
… and vote. Photo EPA / Alex Beltesx
Varoufakis after voting besieged by photographers and journalists. Photo EPA / Alex Beltesx
Former prime minister and current opposition leader for the Conservative Antonis Samaras presents his identification in Pylos, in southwestern Greece. Photo AP / Nikitas Kotsiaris
Tsipras brings under enormous press interest in his voice. Photo Reuters / Christian Hartmann
‘No = own currency
Greece should introduce its own currency today as a majority “no” vote in the referendum. That’s Martin Schulz, President of the European Parliament, said in a screened today interview with German radio station Deutschlandfunk.
“Greece Is after this referendum still in the euro? Sure, but if they say no, they will after the referendum should introduce their own currency because the euro will no longer be available as a payment method “
sharks or shark
A striking image of how some Greeks experienced the referendum on the plan of the international creditors?
Rumors Machine
There are rumors that a large Greek bank almost no money anymore. A journalist from The Telegraph , Ambrose Evans-Pritchard reports that, as well as NRC editor Tom Vennink
Meanwhile in Thessaloniki
Editor Tom Vennink’s been a few days in Thessaloniki. He probes the voting at polling stations and talking to voters. And encountered a number of yes-voters against.
Marloes de Koning, NRC-correspondent and now in Athens, just spoke with a no-voter.
A Twitterer filmed his ‘yes’ moment:
to do’s
For many Greeks today are two ‘must-do’ on the agenda: votes and pins. That first seems easier to go than the second.
Varoufakis: sacred moment
The Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis has just voted in Athens. He left the week that he step down as the yes-camp won He talked about the referendum as a “holy moment”. He described it as “a moment that gives hope to Europe to a common currency and democracy go together “
Consequences ‘no’ to EU
The consequences of a Greek ‘no’ will be felt not only in Greece. Even within the European Union will need to be looked at how to deal with the new situation. Two of the major States, France and Germany disagree on the approach of Greece. Economics Editor Mark Beunderman looks forward:
Greek banks have plans in place for a so-called “bail-in “whereby savers would help pay to avert bankruptcy of the banks. Reported the Financial Times yesterday.
At least one bank is considering a scenario in which there is a reduction (called a ‘haircut’) of 30 percent would apply to savings of over eight thousand euro.
Highlights: vote
Tsipras has voted, as well as members of the opposition. It will be exciting today in polls go yes camp and the no-camp about right. The government, which campaigned for a Greek and therefore no prior rejection of the ten-point plan of lenders, trying to lure voters with promises. The yes camp warns of doomsday scenarios for the consequences of a ‘no’. We made a short series of photographs of the polling stations and voters this morning:
Employee of a polling station in Athens prepares for opening of polling the documents. Photo Reuters / Jean-Paul Pelissier
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