Thursday, February 12, 2015

Europe and Greeks still miles apart – Telegraaf.nl

Europe and Greeks still miles apart – Telegraaf.nl

BRUSSELS –

The loaded extra Eurogroup meeting about the quarrel with Greece tonight totally nothing. Monday is therefore again D-day for the Greeks

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In the end it was another proposal which the Greeks an extension of the current emergency aid should accept. That turned out after consultation with Athens still a bridge too far and a joint statement was not.



Without money

About two weeks the Greeks still penniless and according to the 18 Euro Ministers can come only new money as the Greeks accept the conditions attached.

Eurogroup chairman Jeroen Dijsselbloem acknowledged that despite an extensive discussion had not managed to come closer to each other and further steps to arrange for a solution to get the conflict between Greece and Europe.

,, Unfortunately we could not decide to take it, “said the NetherlandsE minister who was painfully empty-handed and indicated that next Monday at a new Brussels meeting will be discussed further.

Resolution

Dijsselbloem thereby also have liked to use the next four days to work together with the Greeks on the eight floor to the contours of a compromise, but even at that point the eurozone ministers were unable to agree. ,, Unfortunately, even that did not work and the discussions are still to Monday and we will therefore have to pick up again, “said Dijsselbloem.

The time to find a solution in the meantime it starts to penetrate. The euro group maintains the existing aid program for Greece and wants a technical extension of it to allow more time for negotiations. The Greeks insist on that program. According to the new Greek government have the austerity requirements of the program for many economic and ensuring social misery.

However, the Greeks demand a bridge arrangement. In addition Greece abandons the latter part of the emergency loan that had credit, approximately € 7 billion. But Greece claims the profit that the European Central Bank Greek government bonds (€ 1.9 billion) made last year and wants to € 8 billion extra to spend on short-term loans.

Bridge Appointment

The Greek government will own parliament are not supported as it is kept in the current program of eurozone and IMF. Therefore search Dijsselbloem and Varoufakis, according to insiders, or to find a middle ground is where the euro group can claim that the program was extended and the Greeks that a new bridge arrangement is made.

Both Parties must still, however, are miles apart, as evidenced by the fact that the coming days will not negotiate further and everything is put on a re crucial meeting of the European Ministers of Finance next Monday.

Not excluded, however, that start during today EU summit of government still going to be cautious attempt to move the new Greek Prime Tsipras towards a compromise. If such a compromise, this will likely Netherlands again cost money, which Prime Minister Rutte hold an awkward confrontation with a very critical parliament

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12-02-2015, 18:46
Kaarel (guest)

And how is it that our banks are in charge in a country? And that the ECB decides how the support will look like, politics is just to put the same signature as overturning benches. And mostly blank checks and the account gets its taxpayers and their people. the weird thing is that they have done through all times, the last century, are therefore two world wars have been fought, banks thanks. When starting with the Elite participate.

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12-02-2015, 15:31
William 1955

For the current government in Greece, this is actually quite unfortunate. Have they finally domestically finally ilitaire that whole mess that gives created all these debts, put to the side, they run into Brusssel again against that same kind of arrogant, biased politicians. If there is now rapidly coming elections throughout the great chance that there will be more support, as elsewhere, the old guard schuldencreerders be voted out, I gun it ourselves wholeheartedly!

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12-02-2015, 13:37
Kaarel (guest)

I give the Greeks alike, what Europe is doing really can not, and agreements can be changed. First the state coffers looting by having to save the banks, then make debts to seal the backs of the people to the budget deficit, capitalism at its best, serving some interested. And the political support it! Pity the citizen always pay the bill for mismanagement of the Lieutenant parties. I hope that the freely elected Greek government hold word.

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12-02-2015, 13:17
peter Jan (guest)

It is a mystery that my D66 in the polls for high capacity that is still weak bite for the EU and all the remains costly for taxpayers in our country !!

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12-02-2015, 13:12
peter Jan (guest)

The Greeks from the EU vlikkeren and we ourselves go out of our own out that scheeld a lot of moolah and misery for us Dijselbloem is too soft and feeble knees let WILDERS there send just around who knows Always so good then talk Greeks quite different and refund any bald chicken hassle and it immediately !!

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12-02-2015, 12:58
Jankees 6578 (guest)

Dijsselbloem already showing nice touches, the scowl, from Melkert. PvdAers susceptible to their loss and have difficulty admitting their wrong

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12-02-2015, 12 : 50
w.kievits (guest)

The Greeks have Europe at the bear. Real swashbucklers who do business with this type of countries that can negotiate, but later pay the bill yourself. Our citizens are stripped and the rich Greeks laugh their heads to the silliness of Dijselbloem searching again for solutions. Please note that we have at least 125 billion behind. The ordinary griek has never noticed the money

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12-02-2015, 12:48
Size (guest)

And now quickly throw it Greece from the Eurozone, you take a loss because the money we have still not back, and politicians who are responsible for this money devouring adventure criminal prosecution. After all, they have to thrown away billions of tax dollars.

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12-02-2015, 12:44
Jack888 (guest)

Gain on Greek bonds forgotten word for convenience that the debt much larger was.Alleen banks have 100 billion afgeschreven.Dan yet the IMF, ECB, and emergency fund. In this same newspaper was one or two years ago that the national debt of 60 current EU accession, had risen to 660 billion at the start hulp.Ook though they try this now move to the mortgage debt.

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12-02-2015, 12:43
rvdsandt

It was predictable, Greece baby just loves the beak open, more, more, more!

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12-02-2015, 12:40
vries22 (guest)

our Dijssel Bloempje knowing he has already cut getrokken.allemaal the stage, the electoral cattle with short termijns memory. What would be nice if the Greeks, the cards let you deposit that money we already kwijt.Mooi guilder back, own laws, closing its borders to all that delicious eastern europe hawaiian enrichment types.Maar unfortunately, it will not happen.

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12-02-2015, 12:38
Bellie

Do not Wake the illusion that there is something to talk about. If I decide unilaterally not my mortgage, pay off part or under other conditions, I get one, clear answer from my bank: “No” I understand that even understand Greeks.

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12-02-2015, 12:36
Jaap den Hollander (guest)

There is a big loser, the EU burgers.Of the political elite there is interested, I doubt.

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12-02 -2015, 12:35
f.van.hijum

stop giving free money

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12-02-2015, 12:31
Lars van Dinter (guest)

It all does not matter. What really happens is that our Audit know exactly how far we swallow the general charges imposed without rebellion.

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12-02-2015, 12:22
Tum (guest)

Die heads on photo betray the thoughts. If you borrow 500 and YOU can not repay it you have a problem, if you borrow 500 billion and you can not repay it THEY have a problem. Had we asked a collateral anyway ??

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12-02-2015, 12:20
Adeleid van Deursen-Komme Niece (guest)

The Greeks laugh themselves to death. For years, billions been tipped and then nothing redeeming. The EU is in a quandary; they can accept this behavior (which other impoverished countries, perhaps to turn around, like the Greeks, also quit redeem) or they do come back with appropriations over the bridge (and the impoverished countries will this go requirements). Anything but a win-win situation for the EU. The public will no longer pick and the EU is about to fall apart

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12-02- 2015, 12:17
gerrit roller (guest)

The rich Greek shipowners have unloaded their fortune long parked somewhere else. On YouTube there is a recent video of a huge yacht harbor of Piraeus funeral. The other 99% Greek poor wretches to dance to Merkel’s pipes. No wonder that escalates the case. Dijsselbloem sits in the lurch.

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12-02-2015, 12:17
v / dveer40

In total, 322 billion deposited in the Greek bottomless pit, which expects idiot really think that money comes back. If the Greeks had held nothing had been going on the drachma. But our pedantic Europhiles had to admit, if necessary, everyone in the eurozone. It’s one or the other or all the southern countries, including France back to share their own currency or the euro in a neuro and zeuro.De countries laugh without euro up their sleeves for the EU’s sprawling.

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12-02-2015, 12:17
Erik150210 (guest)

pity that most Dutch people do not understand that we actually did not have helped Greece with billions of euros. No, we actually saved our own stupid banks, who have taken high risks in their lust money in Greece. Greeks have seen no support. Western European banks are now safe your money. Shhh, do not say anything though, just keep the Greeks but berating … money is not there but in the pockets of the bankers here.

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12-02-2015, 12:16
temmie (guest)

It’s raining again stupid statements … people deepened now first look into the matter, and then use your horn … you call Reads From Gemeren of the column (DFT) once and open your eyes. src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif” src=”http://www.telegraaf.nl/wuz/sites/all/themes/zen/css/images/clear.gif”

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